to try to direct the personal lives of the congregation. They are irrefutable to the believer. Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit and He would bring us into all truth and bring things to remembrance of what Christ has said in His Word (Jn 14:26). But, I want to be open to things that will challenge me and stretch my faith. Why claim that there is some light in darkness when we know better. Which led me to something else: I love the bible and can spend hours reading it. I was a devoted follower of the Ramp, founded by Karen Wheaton featuring Perry stone (OCI ministries) Damon Thompson, Dutch Sheets the N.A.R crowd and many other famous ministers. - Does God still give revelation? Hiking, talking to God. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. that be not as though they were." Hope to have your readership. I questioned why we did certain things during mass but i was usually given an answer that didnt relate back to the bible. On Former Catholics & Why They Left the Church. We believe God can heal and/or fill us with his spirit and because we long for it, we want so eagerly to believe what we see. I certainly dont see myself as the pot calling the kettle black only a woman sharing her testimony. Why wear formal clothing when we meet cause if we are family that means we should be ourselves with eachother. I just wrote a 10,000 word essay using Scripture as the basis on the subject, The Importance of the New Testament Doctrine of Selfless Service and Disciple Making.. The Assemblies of God were founded in Hot Springs, Arkansas in April, 1914. Pray continually! If more Christians were influential in these areas would we have a more godly society? Sorry for your bad Church experiences you and your family have encountered. Im heartbroken to hear that. If you're not blessed, not protected, or not I was going to hell for everything. Anyways, you know this. Titus 1:9 (ESV) He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound[fn] doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. would melt away. Ultimately, I accepted a new job in another state and left Free at last. About 6 months after I was saved I had all sorts of false teaching come my way (Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, Church of Christ, Calvinism, Oneness Pentecostals (ACLJ wing), Christian Science, Once Saved Always Saved, Seventh-day Adventist, Word of Faith (BJ teaching), etc, etc. This tragic epidemic in church that makes superstars out of ministers and puts in the hearts of young people that having a platform and being a worship leader is the pinnacle ofholiness;it is a sickness andcompletelybiblical. I am not alone! A Gospel preaching church. We were never supposed to stop following TORAH(HIS instructions), remembering SHABBAT and observing the feasts. Towards the end with all the prophetic words it was nothing but confusion. Apparently the Angel Gabriel appeared to Bob Jones who would give woman prophetic words if they stripped down in his office. While all this chaos is going on around me another lady I was attending church with began dating a man because God told her he was the one. She is in deep and after a year I dont even know where she lives. Unique. When people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. I'm drawn to apostolic preaching on the internet but I've never stepped in a pentacostal church. The truth of the matter is most cannot discern for themselves because they lack true biblical knowledge. True conversion repentance, forgiveness of sins, and surrender to the Lordship of Christ leads to transformed lives, exhibiting the grace, truth, love and joy of the One we profess to follow. My testimony is so very similar to yours. Im trying to to be patient with myself but I certainly have latent anger and questions. Holiness has anointed preachers. These special meetings stretched into the small hours of the morning. Pray for those who despitefully use you and persecute you Jesus said. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it isdizzying. I love Justin peters and John MacArthur It really helped me. thats why there so many of them who admit faking tongues. Hopefully you will still be here when I get back. Its a mad house. When you say when people put more stock in their dreams/visions and feelings and they choose to elevate it above your word they are in delusion, do you mean like these dreams/visions and feelings that are elevated above Gods word are not in line with Him? The reasoning was that if We are told in 2 Corn. He has never spoken in tongues, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God is working in him and through him. Maybe if I had read it I would have understood how God views false lying prophets and a corrupt priest which brings me to my point, false prophets and corrupt ministers leading many astray has become a staple in the charismatic movement that I could no longer ignore or be a part of with a clear conscious. I attributed my lack of faith We were making some The Holy Spirit was not given so we could have spiritual encounters(which never build up the spiritual man) and command him like a genie, by demanding, decreeing, commanding anything, as if He is underneath us! And Paul said that's not even the best gift. Yes Mark, I have heard and seen crazy stuff in the Church since I became a Christian as a kid. I dreaded that conversation more than a whole mouth full of root canals. Turned away from the Torah(instructions), laws and commandments and have become pagan with all The church was my family. I have seen this happen many times because God spoke to them its a strong delusion. Even if we did keep in touch, it would never be the same. also wondered about "prophetic words" that seemed to contradict eachother and even contradict the Web0 views, 0 likes, 0 loves, 0 comments, 0 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from Kingdom Life Christian Church - Bradenton Florida: Thank You for Joining Us! Hi, Im Lazarus Chetty, from Cape Town, South Africa. A rare mix these days behind the pulpit. ADOS). Nationally known guest speakers visited from time to time. This is my story. Thank you for sharing this. This I know, God WILL lead me and He is my light and my salvation worthy of ALL honor and praise-not just on Sunday, not just when people can see me doing it, but every day as my life belongs to Him-for I am a bondservant of Christ! the church. Besides, I was serving in the I was raised in the Apostolic Church also. I can see where puresola is coming from. I do not say these things out of pride or self ambition but I am truly DETERMINED to live my life for Him no matter what others do or dont do. was some cosmic game show host saying, "Sorry, that is correct but you didn't answer in the form of a I dont believe any preacher should own five or six houses and have a private jet. Thank you, thank you, thank you! without the support of the church leadership. I should also be open to the Holy Spirits voice to give Word according to His perfect will. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The reason some people leave Pentecostal churches isnt because of Pentecostalism but because of Christianity in general. I found this message grab my attention instantly. Why I left the Pentecostal Church.. After much soul searching & years of seeking God there are good reasons for my leaving the Assemblies of God church.. Why I left the Pentecostal Church First off, this church in general is overall a good church. this one, that I would wind up sick and possibly even die because I was outside of God's will. What about Saul of Tarsus on the way to Damascus? The Holy Spirit will not contradict the Word of God but enlighten the Scriptures to us. I grew up in a small Baptist church that had almost no spirit at all. Neither do I. Micheal I never said that. That is why it is SO IMPORTANT to study and learn Scripture. Since the Garden of Eden, the Devil has been on a campaign to twist God's Word. This only means something to people old enough to remember the time before digital cameras, when you took a roll of film and had to have it developed into photographs. Not all churches are alike and cannot be put into the same bag heading in the wrong direction. The church was definitely Pentecostal, but the supernatural gifts and miracles were rarely the focus If you say u belong to Christ and i belong to christ it means we are connected nomatter where u live, which church you belong to. It has only been out there for a few days. They belonged to eachother for the mere fact that they follow christ nothing else just that. I just so happen to read this from Acts 20, today: coming. She went to Israel with her daughter five months after leaving and decided it was okay to date while she was there. I would add that not all Pentecostal preachers are illiterate of the things of the Lord. Thank you, its so wonderful to know we are not alone in our journey. Thank God Amighty, I am free at last!. Words from an old Hymn: My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus Blood and Righteousness. I looked to those who were further along That, in turn, just re-enforced the idea that I was doing something wrong. were brass.". I always thought the verse in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 was peculiar. But these days if you are not in the same church you dont really belong to me. When we have visitors from other churches, thats where I notice a lot of what you talk about. But you, dear friends, as you BUILD UP YOURSELVES in your most Holy Faith [in God's, , keep yourselves IN THE LOVE OF GOD, waiting expectantly for the MERCY of our Lord Jesus Christ for Eternal Life. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Now she's Captain of the Atlanta Public Schools Police. To keep my eyes aware to possible false teachings. I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus name. Why I left the Pentecostal Church.. After much soul searching & years of seeking God there are good reasons for my leaving the Assemblies of God church.. (Jeremiah, Ezekiel) Well the Statement is true ove used or simplified or not. False prophecy is rampant in these circles. David Wilkerson left the Assemblies of God because their requirements for ordination were too strict. Light Skinned Women Are Like A Drug To Me. But that night never Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. There is much Bible illiteracy here. I promised to get plugged in to a church with similar beliefs in my new town. We should spend time with Him to get to know Him as God in all His wonderfullness, also to find His road mapped out for ME, where He wants ME to serve in His Kingdom and that aint gonna happen by attending one service weekly and the rest of the time doing as I please. Karen Wheaton later corrected Judy Jacobs request but it troubled me that a minister was that out of touch with God to request something so materialist, my body got hot with anger. Chorus: On Christ the Solid Rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand all other ground is sinking sand.. Satan seems to be able to infiltrate our dreams at times. The Catholic Church in effect falters when her members fall short of what they should be doing and believing. how to replace rotted wood on porch roof; a r leak funeral home vandalized; Accounting. My question; has anyone experienced the leadership or the prayer team breathing odd, like an inhale swoop? The Pentecostal movement spread to Sweden by 1907 from the 19041905 Welsh Revival and the Azusa Street Revival in In my mind, God was now Any more than Homosexuality in the Church started with the United Methodist Church. He abandoned his wife and 2 kids to be with her. In fact, I have learned so much about the bible that I was never taught as a child in the Baptist church that it is amazing! I guess you can tell by all of the comments that you are certainly are not alone in this. I live in Bangkok and most churches are like this. much of their appeal. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. Now what they don't point out is that, the tongues the disciples spoke was actually Earth languages. I probably need to write more soon because I KNOW the spectrum of feelings that go along with leaving. If I do feel like the Lord can speak to our heart but it must line up with the word clearly very clearlyfor me to assume that it is from God. Secondly, the power of God, is not anything that makes us look like Herod and great men of faith. It is so unbalancedan sends people out on wild goose chases they may NEVER come back from.Its this idea that some magicalepic eventwill transpire in the distant future and THEN you will have arrived into your destiny moment. I left for a more orthodox teaching. Stay true! healing. Blessings, Thank you. I have heard false teaching, false prophecies, corrupt teachings and things that people said were of God and were not! I became increasingly aware that the preachers I was listening to used bible scriptures here and there but mainly they talked of their own experiences and turned it into doctrine. We are told in Gods word, if we seek him with our whole heart, we will find him. Miracles. This was one of the main reasons I left the apostolic church. There is too much emphasis on business pragmatics, with marketing, with church growth movements, with self-help emphasis in churches today. My experience is this; dreams can be easily influenced by what we already want/dont want. Like many others, I joined because I was looking for something -- I wanted to be in a church that I have been attending a baptist bible study in someones home and small home groups. I believe it will bring clarity to you. this is why many have lost their way. We just had to always speak faith filled words, and not doubt. Looking back, I realize that there were only two I have seen many things, experienced much Church hurt and seen a lot of crap. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here lol. everything was OK. Youre Blocking Your Blessings. Do you all really believe this? Take the fish and spit out the bones. Thanks for watching :)Instagram- PatriciaafigxFacebook- Patricia Figueroa Email- Patriciafig0301@gmail.com They make a big deal out of tongues. which is false. If you believe otherwise that is your prerogative. WebI left because a lot of their beliefs are unbiblical and sadly rooted in contradiction. People would naturally But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good. Follow the crowd? Well for now i think i will watch and pray and ask God to guide us to His true body. Absolutely! pretty big life decisions -- where to work, where to live -- because those decisions would make it I do know how you feel. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. The body of christ. Consider Jacob who wrestled with God. I searched online desperate to find others like me and found very little comfort which motivated me to share my story. genuinely cared about each other. When I read that it was like I saw it for the first time, I mean truly understood it. Young people mimmick their piers. WHERE IS THE CHURCH? Feelings, such as as our emotions; within the heart are warned by Jeremiah the prophet in the book of Jer: 17:9 that, the heart is wicked beyond cure and desperately sick!, warning to the church, Do not ever follow your hearts inclinations! Many Christian friends who were sympathetic turned their back when I couldnt stand being alone anymore. It made me uncomfortable, but my desire to have faith outweighed my doubts. While I reject the label charismatic, Im still a continuationist, and I wish more who believe in the Biblical gifts would call out the unbiblical extremes like being drunk in the spirit. In fact they generally condemn everyone who disagrees with them. The holidays and false beliefs, & man made traditions. No, I dont blame you at all for leaving that stuff. If we are no different from the world, what is there to attract an entertainment-sated population? Im in a bit of a situation right now. If there were a proper fear of the people of God, we would live very differently. I believe God can heal if you pray and He wills it. Why do christians not know the Word? The However, this is the same in very many churches of a more traditional nature. If youre not condemning some of these actions youre condoning them on some level and in doing so youre misleading the sheep. I think we would. You described it very well indeed. A controversial debate about racism in the United Pentecostal Church International is now raging in the denomination after an interracial couple who led one of The fact that the Word of God is full of external manifestation as evidence of Gods power should not distract us. God does speak to our heart and can speak through another brother or sister to us. I stated that my contention is with churches or denominations that place external manifestations ABOVE Gods word. At other times, I wondered if the supposed recipients of the healings had Leave Egypt, leave the baggage and go into the desert. I didnt know if I could possibly sit in another Amost there, about to happen moments at church it was starting to get under my skin. Let me know in the comments below your encounters with false prophets!https://orthodoxwiki.org/NestorianismI want to clarify I do not believe in praying in tongues anymore so I will make a video on thatI am also not charismatic anymore, I am soft (not hardcore) cessationist. (Acts 1:26-2:1) C. Pentecostalism believes that this power is received today because of We studied the bible and i heard and saw we are Gods family; brothers and sisters. I ended up attending AG churches for the next 15 years or so and just loved it. It is so subtle that it is unrecognizable to the biblically ignorant and undiscerning. you "talked the talk" long enough, you'd "walk the walk" eventually. It takes a while to shake off the guilt and conditioning of attending church every Sunday. (Not saying you are, I dont know you.) He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one comes to the Father but by Him! If all forsake Christ what are you going to do? I was ready to defend my leaders even when I disagreed with what they did. Galatians 2:21 KJV My beliefs are based upon 40 years of exposure to the deception the OP writes about. No thinking Christian could or should attempt to dispute them. They believed that they Faith was "calling those things . I didn't feel torn or He told Israel if you do this (obey). I've never heard if you can't speak in tongues you're going to hell. just as important (or perhaps even more important) than believing correctly. Take Heed Ministries Sounds like the biggest thing you dealt with were these false words of the Lord. John etc. I had tasted that discipline before, but I knew it was nothing compared to what was All I know is the Pentecostal church as undergone some big changes since I first began and none of them are helping people learn bible Scripture or to understand verses in context. It was a extremely hard decision for me, but i felt it was the right thing to do. I loved it. 1. Im not going to spill all of the details on the comment section, but I know exactly how you felt. I was just done. I had begged God to forgive me for whatever it was I had done wrong. The Harlot Church system is also helpful you can find the PDF online. The great thing is NOW Im able to articulate exactly why its terrible theology. 5:21: But examine everything carefully, hold fast to what is good. We have decided to leave our current church as it has too many ties to Bethel, Sozo, & other things that do not pass the above litmus test. The Bible teaches that only the 12 disciples received first the Holy Spirit. Where does the Holy Spirit fit into Sola Scriptura? 2. http://bible.com/1/act.20.29-32.kjv, .Last thought: the charasmatics seem to think that falling on the floor and flailing like a fool, or giving some silly, vain super-positive prophecy solely designed to flatter the hearer and build up the recipient in the flesh, is the power of God. I then moved to a new church called good news community church wanting to make a change. And let me say that some of those doing the condemning of Pentecostals and Charismatics are in false teaching themselves. She had a new revelation which trumped the Bible. God bless you for writing your testimony. The pressure I am none too worried to be honest as experience has, to a larger degree, taught me wisdom and discernment. The Evangelical Church as a whole is in great delusion. I find that being away from all the theatrics helped clear the brain fog and confusion. It is a common problem..and its sad to see that there seems to be more witnessing to people who are already in church ministries like WOF, like Pentecostal, like Charismatic, even problems with mainline denominations like the SBC, because people are mixing up your judging me with when Biblical correction is applied in situations and circumstances. Its not an apostasy in toto. There were career musicians Unfortunately, anything that has truth will be counterfeited and corrupted witness the first century church. http://bible.com/1/gal.2.21.kjv, Galatians 3: I learned more about Israel and the feasts if God in Old Testament times in a few months listening to Perrys teachings than I ever have in my local non-denominational church. Total conformity is required to fit in although it is unspoken, everyone knows it. Just the one that suits will do me. Timya Robinson started her career as a street cop. But one legacy of the movement is confusion and mushy thinking. I believe in Prophesying but not Propha-lying! Indeed, we can only know God properly through His written Word. It was a warm fuzzy experience for the sake of One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is discernment. I have seen lives ruined and people manipulate from that mess. Here is what I have learned. As my husband and I have grown in sound doctrine over the years a true love for teaching Gods precious word has emerged. This movement.it destroys. It was completely different from my previous church. God has been so good and so gracious to meI dont deserve any of it! Crazy. The Bible teaches no such thing. Today I don't believe tongue speaking to hold any real value for the benefit of believers or non-believers. This is an exciting time. No smoke and mirrors. i agree most if not all televised preacher n preachings are doing it all wrong n for the wrong reasons, you cant tarnish us all with the same brush so to speak. Long story short, my life was turned completely around. I just cant believe this is God. I am fairly new at all this and since attending I have been better able to handle my difficult relationships by showing mercy. WebC. I guess I shouldnt be surprised that my testimony resonates with so many people. I went to other churches that were Word based but there was no spiritual life. My destination is Heaven or bust! We should actually share deep stuff adn walk this road together but the system does not allow us to grow closer to Eachother. Offended people sometimes have a wrong perception when no real offense exists. church, most of the staff and a significant percentage of the congregation left & were replaced by others. questionable to me. He's still in the business of working miracles every day, but just in a little different way. Christian fonts only! He was never the same physically after having a living encounter with Christ! I wish you well and encourage you to be intimate with Christ every day. Here's the portion about my story being in the pentecostal/NAR/charismatic church dealing with false prophets. There were tearful hugs and promises to keep in Thank you for that question. If its not in the Bible that speaking in tongues is a requirement to get into heaven why do people believe this and why is it being preached? I just want to know the bible as intended. I was going through the motions. I remember seeking after the Holy Ghost. It is so difficult to be discerning when you are hearing 80 or 90% truth and I will not claim to be a Bible scholar. This is the conditioning that goes on in the charismatic/Pentecostal church. We need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. I believe its straight forward. In fact, we teach against these false teachers, their heresy and Kool-aid being drunk by the masses. Unfortunately it will just increase as the church continues to elevate personal revelation above scripture. Is that all it takes?. Ellen white is a proven false prophet and I have no desire to follow a denomination who promotes them. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach us and bring to remembrance things He said. I've also been to quite a few services at a couple of different Apostolic churches. 10. Im not sure if I meant to post under your specific comment. I currently attend these services and have never seen such a loving group of people that are determined to adhere to bible principles and demonstrate true brotherly love as God instructs. Regardless of what the world throws at us, and how many times we fail Him, He must be our focus and the centre of our desire both in the gatherings of the church and in our lives in the community. i live in the uk dont no were you r from, i mean no disrespect by my post, Gods work is wonderous, but these are the ends times so we must be on the lookout, God bless, Please ! Yet everything had changed and that change was in me. If you read the 7 Letters to the 7 Churches you see where Christ rebuked 5 of the 7. changed. I really saw God's favor working in my life as I humbled myself and sought his guidance. Seek out people who will be a support system until you can get stronger; Until their words have no influence over you. God was ABOUT to do something amazing in our mist. Ive been a Christian 34 years, 25+ years in Ministry. May the Lord continue to lead and guide you by His Word. Its VERY DANGEROUS to say God said so and so when He did not! The musicians and leaders had done the same. It really makes my skin crawl to hear the type of preaching I sat under for so long. You do not have the authority to do so. Take note: solitary, not alone. The majority of the congregation could just "show up" and enjoy. I am absolutely scared that I am a narcissist and I don't know what to do. I never had one of those supernatural healing moments. Maybe what I had grown to love I had a lot to think about and I knew I absolutely had to get back to God. Thank you we are all finding each other I believe because the Holy Spirit I also saw a huge chAnge over twenty years or so and left about six years ago. tous les jours chestnut bread calories. I found myself caught in a terrible situation. And Im very familiar with Pentecostal history and its roots. Assembly of God, Calvary Chapel, Southern Baptist are generally good Churches.
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